There are too many stories of people getting mauled by bears that charged right through their attempt to spray it, and they could never get to their gun in time once the bear hit. COME AND GET IT! Shot placement . Of course the welfare of humans (the public) must always come last. I call those DGUs as easily as a person on person. 10 mm. vermin such as raccoon, skunk, possum, etc. I . This calls for a heavy crimp (I use a Redding profile crimp die and seat and crimp in two seperate operations useing H-11O or Win. In any case, the uncle deserves commendation for shooting straight in a tense situation. i think a .38 would tickle the bear more than anything. A single action handgun is not a good choice as a defense weapon in any scenario. They will stalk you like one of their prey animals and have no problem catching/ambushing large four legged moose and caribou. Im curious as to why you only show five rounds of .45 LC with your Ruger. The animal slain by the man charged on Tuesday was a mountain lion known to wildlife biologists as P-38, a male about 7 years old believed to have sired four litters of cubs, said Karen Wold . Lion hides or heads without seals become state property. I use the buffalo bore +P 340 for bear loads. That said, the 4-3-1 is a simple and effective rule of thumb. Sure, semi-automatics have their place. Its getting to be real world, daily and wont get better until folks like us step up and step forward. Browning on your sail boat, that will keep you happy ! If you carry an effective caliber/bullet combination for 400+ pound bears, wild boars, and feral hogs, you are carrying way too much gun for coyotes and small mountain lions. Now that we have hogs in the area, I want to upgrade to either an AR pistol in .50beo, a revolver in 500SW / 454Casull. It has a 1 7/8-inch barrel and a five-shot cylinder in the classic snub-nosed configuration and wears a set of Pachmayr grips, which feel better than the standard J-Frame grips in my hands. Lions or parts cannot be taken out of Colorado unless inspected and sealed. Carry the biggest gun you can for bears or charging moose. Not trying to be cute, but when you slaughter a hog, you shoot them in the head. A brown bears a Swiss mil-spec mugger, with built-in armor all over, especially around the brain. 99% of surviving a bear attack is having the brass to stand steady enough to make a good shot. Just food for thought Stay safe Brian. May 12, 2018. Thats why I would always plan to have with me.a friend who could not run as fast as me!!!!! Even with the hottest 460 I find the revolver to be controllable. How about a 40 S&W with double tap 200g cast core at manufacture specified something like 1150fps in a glock 22/23 or similiar firearm. During the same period, persons defending themselves with pepper spray escaped injury most of the time, and those that were injured experienced shorter duration attacks and less severe injuries. Can mountain lions jump? After a comment like that, Im certain that youre an expert in the art of defensive purse swinging. A 45 or 44 mag would be better, but i no longer care to carry the extra weight. Im still skeered o rabbies. The 12 ga. If the attacking bear is perfectly downwind, you will have some chance with bear spray. The one time I did push these cases was to experiment with that claim, and after 5 heavy loadings, the primer pockets were very loose, but no sign of any case separation. in bullet weight and energy. The 12-year-old in Alaska who just shot the brown with the shotgun is the son of a good friend. There were teams of men racing across Alaska. Take it from someone who has been nose to nose with many big bears by accident if youre going into bear country willingly take as big a double action revolver as you can keep all rounds in the target black. So the point is simple; a wonderful collection of pistols at home wont do you any good, youll have to make do with what you have, Like the Boy Scout motto says, Be Prepared. By the time I am loaded with bow, backpack, and tree stand, I am at 50 plus pounds and I am 50+. What would make a good companion piece [long gun] regardless of sidearm? Unlike grizzlies, black bears seem to be much less predictable and do not give as many signals huffing, grunting, ears back, etc. I read an article recently that said you are statistically more likely to survive a bear attack using mace rather than a sidearm. coastal brown bear looks like at a distance of 50-75 feet! Recoil is managable and porting helps, not like 454 casull or 460 mag, no, let me guess 500 s&w is the only option, the first pistol to come with wheels! next fly out someplace and sleep in a tent than write something that means something. He shot it twice point blank with his 9mm and the hog just shook its head and continued to walk around. would have been just as well dead anyway. Watch on. Fly fishing in AK, and knocking around the woods I often carry a stainless charter target bulldog in 44 special. Carrying a .38 snubbie in bear country is roughly akin to wearing a sandwich board that reads FREE LUNCH! Good responses. If you are confronted by a bear, leave the deer or food and do not run as this triggers the predators instinct to charge after you as prey. Most hotels in Kalispell, Montana have a supply of bear spray on hand, which they will lend out to guests who wish to go hiking. Its available right now, only in 9 mm, .40 S & W and Attacks continued and now a lion is dead. I found it on the Internet in a read only document. An interesting side note is that after a bear has been skinned and hung up, if you come upon the scene unexpectedly you would think that you are looking at a dead man. You need that big chunk of lead to penetrate deep and crush stuff as it goes. A doe once got a hoof caught in the top of a cyclone fence, near our property. Surprisingly, I had to shoot it THREE times in the head, from INCHES away before it died. Ruger, Mountain lions weigh up to 198lbs, reach 30 mph at top speed, and only bite with a force of about 400 PSI. .45 Colt may be questionable, but better than a .38. However, two of those incidents resulted in fatalities. It turned its head, but did not appear to see me growled and went into its death throes. If I find it I will post it. Not to be the asshole of the crowd, but a Grizzly is an Ursus arctos horribilis as opposed to just the Ursus arctos, or Brown Bear. Sometimes I carry a .44 Magnum with 300-grain cast bullets, but never anything smaller for bear protection. After all bears are quite well armed are they not? When a bear is facing you even if you penetrate the meat and skull, the skull is angled flat so the bullet would probably ricochet rather than penetrate. I carried a 454 casull in Alaska heavy l now carry a glock 20 10mm 15 rounds even if I dont stop the bear shooting all the way to the end just makes me fell better. When I go into the Cascades, I always take a .357 revolver. Fortunately I was about 80 yds. The lion had killed the livestock but had not eaten them, The Mercury News reported. Speaking of cougars, check out this video from Barcroft TV. I would rather have a .44 mag with a 6 barrel or the 454 Casull but it was a practical upgrade and is light enough with 5 rounds to carry on long hikes. At the range, 3 or 4 factory rounds and Ive had enough. and driving a rig your not in the Alaskan brush. Wolfe played for the Broncos from 2012-19 and the Ravens in 2020. Buffalo bore and underwood make fmj,hardcast and exteme hunter ammo. Methinks your anti-Judge/Governor bias is showing. Year later, shot a black bear same ammo, but out of a desert eagle way better results. Lmaoand excellent thought below about the 454 brass trimmed down. Any suggestion that a 9mm or 357 magnum is any gun better than none in brown bear country is ridiculous. I shot that bear in the mouth without breaking a tooth on him cause he was popping his jaws whilst standing on his back legs trying to get thru the fence. However many decades ago, I was a PPC competitor. Carry the most powerful gun you can actually effectively use. Is it a powerhouse, as a bear cartridge? Humans travel about 21MPH tops.. Bears.. 35mph.. This is a real concern on the outskirts of . I carry my Glock G20 SF 10mm when I walk our dogs. They could see the best place to setup before the Mosquito came out. The first dozen rounds I shot were without gloves and I got a severe cut on my support hand thumb! What part of the state? with my S&W 500 magnum. tell me want have you really killed lately. Do you have an animal or nature story to share with Newsweek? In most cases, a 22 caliber rifle will not be able to kill a mountain lion. The key is putting the projectile in the right spot. The rabid coons were like a drunk, or drugged as they did not acknowledge being shotAmmo used.45 corbon 185 gr hp + p. 9 mm Federal hydroshok 124gr. chasing after and retrieving spent brass. 50 round box should last a lifetime. Mountain lions are very dangerous animals that are capable of killing creatures larger than themselves. But in advanced Industrialized Countries your a dying bread of cat. 200gr LRN out of my G29 or EAA Elite Match. You need to shoot a few of the +Ps every Spring to remember where they are hitting. Were they harder to kill then healthy racoons, no. That winter, I shot a buffalo @ 50 yards with 300 grain federal cast core in a ruger .44 carbine. A mountain lion would win a fight against a wolf. I love packing iron, but in a 44 mag, 300 grain load minimum for bigger critters. There was a Professor who during the 50s and 60s working with the US Forrest Service..spent a great deal of time studying bears and bear attacks. No browns in this neck of the woods so no need for the really big bore guns. Mountain lions are a protected species in California. Shoot, shovel, and shut up. I have been carrying my 1911 or my Taurus PT-92 for years and know what each round can do as a former US Army medic. They come in 45 Win Mag and 50 AE as well. You could get pretty close to a semi-auto .454 Casull if you had a .440 Cor-Bon Desert Eagle. But so These were not accidental sow with cubs, surprised a bear in a dumpster, etc. Cork Graham (corkgraham.com) , a fellow writer, hunter, and Alaska resident not to mention an actor on the Discovery Channel had a bit of a different perspective. You should also use common sense when traversing through these areas by avoiding mannerisms that could be interpreted by a bear that youre easy prey. It doesnt kick as much as my .44 Rem Mag in a JP Sauer six-shooter that I used to carry on remote gold mining operations, and in a M&P Shield and Glock 21, it also serves as my concealed carry. Really. delivered him from a mortal fate. Chances are youll only get to use one? You dont need a laboratory test to confirm that it was behaving strangely. The Mountain Lion will return to feed on the prey for up to 10 days. 3. Your 9mm, .38 spl. Its a gun I have confidence in when Bears cannot see as well as they can hear and smell. That said, a single documented 9mm kill is not exactly something I would bet on winning the bear fight every time or even most of the time. A Utah friend of mine called to ask about using a .38 Special with a 4" barrel as a trail gun and a defensive gun in the mountains of his home state. 480 ruger penetrated steel railroad plates by hitting so hard, the steel cracked and shattered. People living in neighborhoods around Nederland wonder why Colorado Parks and Wildlife can't do more to stop attacks on their pets. Having read that the US Fish and Game guys carried .357 Mag in bear country, but this was in the 1970s, and I have no ides how true that was or is now, I figured 10mm S&W with hardball would do the job even better, but the hunters I hang with think that never gets old. This was a glaring example of surprise; this area, while remote, rugged and wooded, wasnt known for its bear population, very few had ever been seen there, but that one bear had my employees undivided attention. Federal, The cowboy loads are mild and fun to shoot and loaded with 300 plus grain hot loads it is very similar to a 44 mag. Suddenly everyone was yelling at Paul not to move and the somewhat lethargic lion placed his jaw on the boys head and put its paw on him. Look it up. So if its a two shot scenario with a revolver, I can place 4 AIMED shots with my 10mm in the same amount of time. In Alaska, we not only have to deal with the common two-legged variety of vermin found in every place in the world, but also the large, four-legged beasts that can either kill and trample you with their hooves, or rip you apart with their claws and teeth; its the latter which draw hunters to the Last Frontier with high-power, large caliber rifles. It is all filled with a bias against firearms.. The bear was hurt so it couldnt run thank God abd CVA. Brown bear commonsense options: the reason to own a .38/.357 revolver. Then it rolled over and started walking. Answer (1 of 2): Plenty of them. There is a lot of nonsense out on the internet from people who have never seen a bear and have probably never cut up a dead critter to see what a bullet will do. For more information about Federal ammunition, click here. Yes it is a bit heavy, but as said earlier.with a charging bear 8.5lbs of 458 SOCOM feels like a down pillow . get of his ass and go out in the woods with his 38. Theyll put down vermin, but small may not put down dangerous game. . I think that the 480 Ruger is a real sparkling over looked gem. The farmer who owned the lambs also contacted a trapper in hopes that they could do something about the mountain lion. You can keep the Roland! That winter, I shot a buffalo @ 50 yards with 300 grain federal cast core in a ruger .44 carbine. It definitely works. from the bear. In ordinary life, people are much more likely to be attacked by another person, than by a mountain lion. That long pipe makes for a heavier gun, but Im OK with that because the additional sighting distance and small velocity gain are both appreciated. Si saw a black bear last year, and got lost running away from it. However, the realization that you might have to use one to defend against a couple-hundred pounds of teeth and fangs doesnt exactly make one feel like Zorro; in fact, I looked down at it and said to myself:This is gonna hurt. This attack from 2008 shows the utility of a handgun for defense against predators in the wild. It was there all night and broke its leg, trying to get free. most likely you sleep in your rig also. For both wilderness/rural vs. urban/metro I cannot Or even a simple GLOCK 10mm like the A.H.P. Between travel & the country this gun was never more than arms reach away all that time!! Two young men from SoCal (where else?) Its time for some lab work, and the Feds arent going to let us stake a few bears out in someones back forty to test loads out on. Light to carry, manageable recoil, do a quick reload of 125jhp and your good for CCW. The .45 Colt makes a formidable handgun cartridge, especially in a pistol as strong as the Blackhawk, where the pressures and velocities can be ramped up a bit. Even had to qualify with it if you carried it as part of your job duties. Moutain Lions arent bear-zombie-meat-tanks. Year later, shot a black bear same ammo, but out of a desert eagle way better results. As an Army veteran, I had no problem with my shot placement just my faith in loads. @ 1,100+ FPS!! Nobody sane confronts a bear with a pistol, the 480 is not perfect for the job. Back in the 70s, this form of competition was only for revolvers. Let us know via nature@newsweek.com. They are considered important in maintaining ecosystems and controlling other animal populations such as deer, its preferred prey. In states like California that have outlawed hunting of mountain lions they have become increasingly bold in recent years and what was once common in ancient times i.e. The 357 magnum is able to kill a bear much better then the 9mm and the 38 special even though they actually shoot the same bullets. Perry can dispatch a coyote with a Ruger LCP you most certainly could do it with .38 Special +p or not and it will also kill a mountain lion. You might not have the accuracy from the first two mentioned as you would the latter, but at the close range that a bear attack would occur I think that would be a moot point. A farmer living in Lower Lake, in Lake County, noticed the dead lambs last week and notified the California Department of Fish and Wildlife. The statement that you wont be able to dump a full magazine into a charging bear is likely true as well. SCCY DVG-1 Review. A .38 caliber revolver naturally makes an ideal companion for fishing, camping, hunting, Lightweight and well-balanced, I had a chance to spend a bit of time with this wheelgun at the SHOT Show in Las Vegas. Most of the revolvers mentioned in this article are double action. There was an Indian woman in Canada out hunting small game for the stew pot with her .22 rifle, when she found herself being hunted by a large grizzly. The S&W Govnor and the Taurus Judge are not what you would want in bear country. In Alaska, meat is often removed from a kill site via a frame pack and two strong legs, and all that blood creates a scent trail like a flashing All-you-can-eat buffet advertisement. vintage Smith and Wesson Model 66 is a classic beautiful handgun with pinned barrel, All good options. Found the bullet in the other ear, Weighed 270 grains. I want to be able to pump 8 to 18 rounds in his head as fast as I can. the vast majority of industry gun writers are basically shilling new gear and tend to exist in a repetitive echo chamber with little or no practical experience. the game warden. sounds like you have too many guns and cant decide on which one to take. They can be found throughout the state apart from the southeastern desert and the Central Valley. At the same time, we're trying to be as supportive and helpful to property owners as possible.". I load them to just over 1,200 fps. Almost no one practices with bear spray and almost no one can get their can to bear (pun intended) and spray within 4-5 seconds. Black bears and mountain lions can be killed if they cause death or injury to other people. My only proof of that assertion goes back 17 years when I was unkowingly walking my blind dog very near a collared grizzly sow with two cubs. If the Hellsing 454 Casull is ever made (semi- auto), I want one. Yes I admit this was a freak happening. Unless you are an expert hand-gunner with tons of real world experience.. carry a rifle and have the pistol as backup. Question whats your life worth to you. This article leaves folks thinking their 45 or 9mm or single action is excellent bear medicine the fact is they are just poor at best. Loaded with a hard cast 250 gr bullet at about 1050. Mr. Massaro, it is men like you who make our country and our military great! I still carry that early 41 mag in bear country but just recently bought an early M-58 and am going to carry it as it is easier to draw with no adj sights. 4 5/8 inch barrelpretty comfortable to carry . 4 barrel, all stainless steel, adjustable sights and under 1.5 pounds. Certainly, they have before. mountain lion primarily subsists on large ungulates, small mammals including porcupine, hares and rabbits, ground squirrels, and beaver may also supplement its diet. If one comes onto my property, its dead, otherwise Ill leave them alone, unless of course in self defense. I read with interest the side arms in bear country. against a pack of feral dogs a .38 Special is highly effective and lethal. Killed a mountain Grizzly but did not get my polar bear. Any wildlife that is killed will remain the property of the state and will be reported to the division within five days. A member of the group shot the lion twice, killing it, Babb said. My gun will push the strong 300-grain hollowpoints to just under 1,200 fps, and thats a formula that can end a confrontation. Exceptional combo when paired with the right revolver and load. Anyway, Ive had my share of sleepless nights in a tent in Alaska and try to heed to basics keep food well away from camp, cook away from camp, dont camp on trails, avoid cubs like the plague, if approached give ground, etc. A handgun was what you might carry out to take a dump at night to make you feel better. For the outdoors person a revolver can likewise If it was acting as weird as they say, they were idiots for not assuming that it was rabid. Regarding your story about the two men from California who discharged bear spray in their hotel room in their haste to try it out forcing the hotel to gut and refinish the room entirely, of course after evicting the two Californians. But I enjoy listening to people who think they know everything prove they dont. A mountain lion killed some goats about a half mile from us. What I really love I the light weight of the Blackhawk, its great in a shoulder rig. The mountain lion will most likely attempt to tackle you and crush your skull or bite your throat. Mountain lions have a size advantage, a power advantage, and more weapons in their arsenal to kill a wolf. The mountain lion, also called a cougar, is the largest wildcat in North America north of Mexico. 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